Wednesday, January 6, 2010

Open Thread

Please use this for questions/comments regarding the player database, waiver wire situation, or all things related to fantasy baseball.

21 comments:

Cornholers said...

Nice pic. Truly a shame that Robbie Alomar had an outstanding HOF career, yet this spitting incident is what he is most remembered for.

Nice job on the database and the email explanation was very clear. I'm in negotiations currently with a few of the agents for my waiver-wire pick-ups and hope to come to an agreement on a extension soon.

PG said...

Some of these waiver wire picks are pretty sweet. Josh Hamilton, Strasburg, Bucholz, Kubel, Wells, Morales, Drew, etc. Some GM's have some tough decisions to make.

Cornholers said...

I'm going to break it down this way, at least for my purposes.....

Unrestricted Free Agents: These will be the players coming off 1-year deals that will definitely be re-entering the draft.

Restricted Free Agents: These will be the waiver-wire players that are coming off 1-year deals but could possibly be retained by their team, in lieu of a 5th round pick.

Cornholers said...

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS:

Denard Span
Roy Oswalt
Johnny Damon
Vladimir Guerrero
Chipper Jones
Howie Kendrick
Brett Myers
Mike Napoli
Huston Street
Andy Pettitte
Curtis Granderson
Juan Rivera
Barry Zito
Wandy Rodriguez
Jacoby Ellsbury
Fernando Rodney
Raul Ibanez
Ivan Rodriguez
Geovany Soto
Derek Jeter
Scott Kazmir
Matt Holliday
George Sherrill
John Lackey
Torii Hunter
Michael Young
Manny Ramirez
Corey Hart
Chris Naverson
Francisco Rodriguez
Brian McCann
Matt Capps
Carlos Lee
Hunter Pence
Jermaine Dye
Casey Blake
Jason Bay
Carlos Marmol
Alexis Rios
Jorge Posada
Jonathan Papelbon
Derek Lowe
Shin Soo-Choo
Andrew Bailey
Brian Roberts
Javier Vazquez
Mark Buehrle
Miguel Tejada
Carlos Beltran

PG said...

Good breakdown, 3K. I like the unrestricted vs. restricted free agent explanation.

Keep in mind, fellas, that the unrestricted free agent list aren't the only available players in the draft (there were plenty of other players that were already in the free agent pool that will be available for the draft).

Are they all as relevant as the unrestricted players? Probably not. But make no mistake, "there's gold in them there hills".

This is where the league gets more interesting, more strategic. To identify your needs, do your research, and through drafting (and perhaps trading), crafting a team that will take you to the championship.

The more I think about it, the more excited I'm getting for the season.

Cornholers said...

I just got done going through restricted and unrestricted free agents, taking a look at my returning roster, considering my #3 pick in the draft and determining which restricted player I might retain.....

I gotta say this is exciting stuff. I will now convene with my director of player development to determine what trade avenues we as an organization might pursue.

Jason said...

It's good to see PG and the Cornholers talking again. Peace in our time.

Cornholers said...

Look at Ger trying to stir the pot. No can do my friend. My new year's resolution is everyone must get along.......

Cornholers said...

We'll see how long that and not dipping will last!!

Michael said...

can we bet on that? the getting a long part..

Josh Hamilton was a nice pick up by me late in the season, but negotiations have been nonexistent to re sign him..

I will resubmit my question regarding trades and credits. I was down a credit for dropping a 2 year player, but I made a trade for two 1 year players and gave up a 1 year and a 2 year player. In my mind, that makes my credits even, since you assume the credit of the players you get.

Right or wrong?

And my posts will come pretty much at night for now, just started new job this week..

PG said...

Lots of buzz out there about a rift between PG and 3K. Let me unevquivocally state right here that no rift exists. 3K and I have had this "devil's advocate" dynamic going since the 5th grade. That tends to happen when one side is a White Sox fan and the other is a Yankee fan.

Congrats to Yankee Mike on the new job. If the job gets in the way of effectively running your team, let me know and i'll put in a call to your supervisor. Let's not lose sight of our priorities.

Interesting to hear that Josh Hamilton may go back into the pool. I think Yankee Mike may have found a loophole in letting a multi year contract guy go. Hahahahahahahaahah.

I was looking at my team yesterday, and after assessing who I am going to lose to free agency and who I have, I have my work cut out for me.

Cornholers said...

PG didn't answer Yankee Mike's question....

It's my understanding that when 2 owners commence a trade the respective owners assume the contracts of the players they traded for.

That is entirely separate from waiving a player. If you waive a player who is on a multi-year contract you will incur a negative credit(s) the following season.

It is entirely possible for a roster to exceed the credit max during the season, but the following draft day you are capped at 50 credits. For instance, if you trade all your 1 year contracts during the season for 3 year contract players then you are essentially going to have nothing to do the following draft because your roster will be set.

PG said...

3K is correct, if you pick up years due to a trade, you are NOT penalized like you are when you release a multi-year player. So technically, during a season when the trade occurs, you could have over 50 credits.

However the following season a team can have no more than 50 credits (inevitably, a team loses a lot of credits due to their 1 year contracts).

Hope that helps.

Anonymous said...

Is the following permissible?

Hypothetically lets say before the 1/31/10 deadline I trade a draft pick for a player on another teams restricted free agency list. After acquiring said player he would then be on my restricted free agency list. May I then forfeit my 5th round pick in order to sign that player for two years?

Michael said...

I guess I am still confused because when I traded 3 years in contracts I got back 2 years in contracts. I think that should apply to my total contract points (50) just like it does if I make a trade the opposite way.

If you can go over, shouldn't you be able to go under and that work in concert with waiving players and contract years? I hope I am explaining this correctly.

I told my boss that fantasy baseball comes first.. no worries...

Cornholers said...

I'm certainly not the authority on our fantasy bible, but here is how I see it....

Once a waiver wire pickup is traded to another team he automatically goes from restricted free agent to UN-restricted free agent. Essentially you are assuming the players contract - all waiver wire pickups are signed to 1 year contracts.

It's my understanding, from the bible, that each owner can retain 1 WAIVER WIRE pickup in lieu of their 5th round draft pick in the forthcoming draft. If you traded for someone elses waiver wire pick it would no longer qualify.

But great question!!

Cornholers said...

I don't really know how to explain Yankee Mike's question.....

I suppose the only thing I can say is that if a team owner drops a player on a multi-year contract you are penalized. Much like in real life, where a team releases a player on a multi-year contract (i.e. the Jays eating BJ Ryan's contract in 2009).

I believe, for parity purposes, each team is brought back to 50 credits at the start of each new season. This prevents hording of talent and ensures that quality talent is in the draft each and every year.

I also think a penalty for waiving multi-year busts is needed to help create a viable league. Otherwise more and more people would just dump their bad decisions to the waiver wire, instead of maybe seeking a trade partner.

Cornholers said...

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS:

CO Yankees:

AJ Pierzynski
Josh Hamilton
Kevin Millwood
Russell Branyan
Jason Bartlett
Jorge De La Rosa
Garrett Jones
Chris Coghlan
Leo Nunez

Baby Gorillas:

Danys Baez
Orlando Hudson

Hoosier Heat:

Clint Barmes
David Aardsma
Scott Feldman

Jimmy's Daddy:

LaTroy Hawkins
Joel Piniero
Pedro Martinez

Lawndale Longhorns:

Scott Downs
Michael Bourn
Brandon Inge
Jim Johnson
Matt Garza
Jason Frasor
Michael Cuddyer

Clark & Addison:

Randy Wells
Erick Aybar
Rafael Soriano
Kurt Suzuki
Ben Zobrist
JA Happ
Vincente Padilla
Ryan Madson

Client #9:

Jeff Franceour
Rafael Furcal
Anibel Sanchez
Hiroki Kuroda
Stephen Strasburg
Miguel Montero
Mark Reynolds
Drew Stubbs
Clay Buchholz
Juan Guitierrez

The Rockpile:

Vernon Wells
JP Howell
Asdrubal Cabrera
Paul Maholm
Randy Wolf
Jason Kubel
Luke Scott
Jeff Niemann
Mike MacDougal

The SwinGERS:

Manny Delcarmen
Jarrod Washburn
Joel Zumaya
Ramon Troncoso

TallCorn Cobras:

Brad Penny
Ryan Franklin
Adam Lind
Joe Blanton
Rajai Davis

Year 2000!:

Juan Uribe
Brian Duensing
Marco Scutaro
Aaron Hill
Paul Konerko
Scott Podsednik
Bronson Arroyo

Cornholers:

Jason Marquis
Frank Francisco
Marlon Byrd
Franklin Guitierrez
Scott Rolen
Mike Lowell
Kendry Morales
Tommy Hunter

PG said...

anonymous brings up a very good point....when exactly does a players contract exprire and when do you lose your rights to trade said player.

I was involved in a discussion earlier and there were two sides to the argument.

One side- theorhetically, the contract is over, all the GM has at that point is an "option" to resign him (and lose his 5th round pick), you don't own their rights, you simply reserve the option to resign them....say Barry Bonds contract is up in 2009, but there's a team option for 2010, can that team trade Bonds to another team or just exercise the option?

Another side says- as long as it's before the deadline, they are still on your team, you still own their rights until January 31, they are on your team unitl jan 31.

Think about it, because this issue will be brought up next week at the convention.

Michael said...

I agree there needs to be a penalty for waiving multi-year busts.

But I also think you should be able to use trades to make up for losses in credits, just like gms do in baseball where you can trade high dollar contracts for lower ones.

Hearn said...

PG didn't answer Yankee Mike's question.... It's my understanding that when 2 owners commence a trade the respective owners assume the contracts of the players they traded for. That is entirely separate from waiving a player. If you waive a player who is on a multi-year contract you will incur a negative credit(s) the following season. It is entirely possible for a roster to exceed the credit max during the season, but the following draft day you are capped at 50 credits. For instance, if you trade all your 1 year contracts during the season for 3 year contract players then you are essentially going to have nothing to do the following draft because your roster will be set.